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		<title>By: bettie</title>
		<link>http://www.sherrythomas.com/blog/2007/10/02/its-all-about-me/comment-page-1/#comment-890</link>
		<dc:creator>bettie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post! I wanted to jump up and shout Amen! when I finished reading it.</description>
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		<title>By: beverley</title>
		<link>http://www.sherrythomas.com/blog/2007/10/02/its-all-about-me/comment-page-1/#comment-872</link>
		<dc:creator>beverley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost missed this last comment Sherry.  Hmmm. You&#039;ve said lots to consider.  I think I&#039;ve let in enough that you will understand her hurt and her issues with her father, but I took out what I thought was too much backstory, that would also weigh the story down with too much explaining of the incidents to explain her hauteur.  I think I was going overboard to make her sympathetic and chopped back also to progress the story and keeping the pacing at the beginning right.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for the response.  Now I have some comments from your post above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost missed this last comment Sherry.  Hmmm. You&#8217;ve said lots to consider.  I think I&#8217;ve let in enough that you will understand her hurt and her issues with her father, but I took out what I thought was too much backstory, that would also weigh the story down with too much explaining of the incidents to explain her hauteur.  I think I was going overboard to make her sympathetic and chopped back also to progress the story and keeping the pacing at the beginning right.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the response.  Now I have some comments from your post above.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherry Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.sherrythomas.com/blog/2007/10/02/its-all-about-me/comment-page-1/#comment-866</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherry Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, All,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My internet connection has been wonky for a couple of days so forgive me for my absence.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My comment is addressed mostly to Beverley but I think it applies to anyone who writes heroines who aren&#039;t immediately sympathetic.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bev, put those sympathy-generating lines back in.  And don&#039;t think of it as a cop-out, it&#039;s not. If you were going to show her going on a character journey, if the reader is going to discover something great and sympathetic about her a little later on, then you are staying perfectly true to character, just rearranging the placement of the information a bit.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It may be an unfair fact of life that romance readers don&#039;t give their heroines a whole lot of room, but a fact it is.  Don&#039;t lessen your chance to be read. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The more your heroine is an anti-heroine, the more you need your reader&#039;s sympathy to lie with her.  And there are many creative ways to go about it--constraint is the mother of creativity, I&#039;ve always believed.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Because you are not writing about a truly nasty, mean character.  In your heart, you know who she is.  You know how she came to be the way she is.  Let us know too.  That way we can root for her as you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, All,</p>
<p>My internet connection has been wonky for a couple of days so forgive me for my absence.</p>
<p>My comment is addressed mostly to Beverley but I think it applies to anyone who writes heroines who aren&#8217;t immediately sympathetic.  </p>
<p>Bev, put those sympathy-generating lines back in.  And don&#8217;t think of it as a cop-out, it&#8217;s not. If you were going to show her going on a character journey, if the reader is going to discover something great and sympathetic about her a little later on, then you are staying perfectly true to character, just rearranging the placement of the information a bit.</p>
<p>It may be an unfair fact of life that romance readers don&#8217;t give their heroines a whole lot of room, but a fact it is.  Don&#8217;t lessen your chance to be read. </p>
<p>The more your heroine is an anti-heroine, the more you need your reader&#8217;s sympathy to lie with her.  And there are many creative ways to go about it&#8211;constraint is the mother of creativity, I&#8217;ve always believed.  </p>
<p>Because you are not writing about a truly nasty, mean character.  In your heart, you know who she is.  You know how she came to be the way she is.  Let us know too.  That way we can root for her as you do.</p>
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		<title>By: beverley</title>
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		<dc:creator>beverley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s in room in the publishing world for all kinds of heroines and heros.  I really do love them all but don&#039;t shut the door on a book immediately because she/he doesn&#039;t subscribe to the known stereotypes.  I love westerns, not into intrigue/suspense, love those character-driven novels and yes, I also like some of those tried and true plot lines.  I love lyrical prose and was literally slammed by an agent recently who doesn&#039;t.  She doesn&#039;t like much descriptions or &#039;prosey stuff&#039;.  She likes dialogue and direction. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; As I said before, there is room for it all.  That&#039;s why I&#039;m going to be watching Sherry&#039;s novel closely when it comes out.  I pray everyone out there goes out and buys it.  It will really open the door for readers who want to read more beautiful prose and heroines who&#039;ve had several lovers.  It will also open the door to writers who want to write with more prose and those lovely historical descriptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s in room in the publishing world for all kinds of heroines and heros.  I really do love them all but don&#8217;t shut the door on a book immediately because she/he doesn&#8217;t subscribe to the known stereotypes.  I love westerns, not into intrigue/suspense, love those character-driven novels and yes, I also like some of those tried and true plot lines.  I love lyrical prose and was literally slammed by an agent recently who doesn&#8217;t.  She doesn&#8217;t like much descriptions or &#8216;prosey stuff&#8217;.  She likes dialogue and direction. </p>
<p> As I said before, there is room for it all.  That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m going to be watching Sherry&#8217;s novel closely when it comes out.  I pray everyone out there goes out and buys it.  It will really open the door for readers who want to read more beautiful prose and heroines who&#8217;ve had several lovers.  It will also open the door to writers who want to write with more prose and those lovely historical descriptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Selene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sherry for hosting our thread-drift! ;-)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Catherine,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I hope you like them! I too liked Pullman&#039;s trilogy, if mostly for the different (from, say, Lewis&#039;) take on religion. Mostly, YA is not my thing. I mean, where&#039;s the hot sex??? *wink*&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ll check out Neil Stephenson&#039;s! I read Card&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Alvin Maker&lt;/i&gt; novels, which kind of put me off trying anything else of his, though you&#039;re not the first to recommend &lt;i&gt;Ender&#039;s Game&lt;/i&gt;. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Selene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sherry for hosting our thread-drift! <img src='http://www.sherrythomas.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Catherine,</p>
<p>I hope you like them! I too liked Pullman&#8217;s trilogy, if mostly for the different (from, say, Lewis&#8217;) take on religion. Mostly, YA is not my thing. I mean, where&#8217;s the hot sex??? *wink*</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll check out Neil Stephenson&#8217;s! I read Card&#8217;s <i>Alvin Maker</i> novels, which kind of put me off trying anything else of his, though you&#8217;re not the first to recommend <i>Ender&#8217;s Game</i>. </p>
<p>Selene</p>
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		<title>By: Heather M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Anyway, I get real sick of romance&#039;s emphasis on sympathetic and unsympathetic characters from page one. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;hear, hear. I&#039;ve been on the receiving end of this from agents myself. It&#039;s almost as if they&#039;ve never even heard of a character arc. It&#039;s a bias, I think, too, because a good heroine *or* anti-heroine will more often than not have--gasp--qualities that normally are attributed to men. But in a woman, it&#039;s somehow &quot;unsympathetic.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Loving all the comments here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Anyway, I get real sick of romance&#8217;s emphasis on sympathetic and unsympathetic characters from page one. </p>
<p>hear, hear. I&#8217;ve been on the receiving end of this from agents myself. It&#8217;s almost as if they&#8217;ve never even heard of a character arc. It&#8217;s a bias, I think, too, because a good heroine *or* anti-heroine will more often than not have&#8211;gasp&#8211;qualities that normally are attributed to men. But in a woman, it&#8217;s somehow &#8220;unsympathetic.&#8221;</p>
<p>Loving all the comments here!</p>
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		<title>By: Sherry Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherry Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, Catherine.  It might be all about me in the blog post, but when it comes to the comments, it&#039;s all about you guys.  I&#039;m delighted and honored to host book talk.  There ain&#039;t no better kind of talk.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And thanks to everyone else for commenting and good luck Beverley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, Catherine.  It might be all about me in the blog post, but when it comes to the comments, it&#8217;s all about you guys.  I&#8217;m delighted and honored to host book talk.  There ain&#8217;t no better kind of talk.</p>
<p>And thanks to everyone else for commenting and good luck Beverley.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Avril Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Avril Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Selene&lt;/b&gt; -- Hooray!! Thanks so much for the recommendations! I looked them all up on Amazon and promptly put them on my Wishlist. (Hey, the holidays are coming up...)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for my own recommendations, *sigh*, I haven&#039;t read enough fantasy to make any, I don&#039;t think. Well, except for Philip Pullman&#039;s &lt;i&gt;His Dark Materials&lt;/i&gt; trilogy -- three of my all-time favorite books ever. Sherry loved them too, if I remember right.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve got some favorite sci-fi books, if you&#039;re interested (hey, there&#039;s a little crossover, right??): Neil Stephenson&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Diamond Age&lt;/i&gt;, which is set in Hong Kong in the future and stars a crazy-interesting, brilliant little girl; Orson Scott Card&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Ender&#039;s Game&lt;/i&gt;, which I guess is supposedly for kids but I loved it; um... I&#039;ll post more if I think of them! Thanks again for posting yours. And thanks to Sherry for hosting our book talk in her comments. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Selene</b> &#8212; Hooray!! Thanks so much for the recommendations! I looked them all up on Amazon and promptly put them on my Wishlist. (Hey, the holidays are coming up&#8230;)</p>
<p>As for my own recommendations, *sigh*, I haven&#8217;t read enough fantasy to make any, I don&#8217;t think. Well, except for Philip Pullman&#8217;s <i>His Dark Materials</i> trilogy &#8212; three of my all-time favorite books ever. Sherry loved them too, if I remember right.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got some favorite sci-fi books, if you&#8217;re interested (hey, there&#8217;s a little crossover, right??): Neil Stephenson&#8217;s <i>The Diamond Age</i>, which is set in Hong Kong in the future and stars a crazy-interesting, brilliant little girl; Orson Scott Card&#8217;s <i>Ender&#8217;s Game</i>, which I guess is supposedly for kids but I loved it; um&#8230; I&#8217;ll post more if I think of them! Thanks again for posting yours. And thanks to Sherry for hosting our book talk in her comments. <img src='http://www.sherrythomas.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Selene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 10:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh good, a likeminded spirit. :-)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How about:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anne Bishop&#039;s The Black Jewels trilogy--because it&#039;s dark and sexy and it&#039;s got super cool worldbuilding. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Juliet Marillier&#039;s Daughter of the Forest--Celtic fantasy with strong characterizations, lovely immersive writing and strong romantic elements. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Jacqueline Carey&#039;s Kushiel&#039;s Dart--It&#039;s about a spy who also happens to be a BDSM submissive courtesan, need I say more? ;-O&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Laura Resnick&#039;s In legend born + sequels--great characterizations, believable conflict, lots of intrigue, struggle and yes, even war, but none of it is against any &quot;Dark Evil&quot;. ;-)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How&#039;s that for a start? If you have any recommendations to share yourself, let me know!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Selene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine,</p>
<p>Oh good, a likeminded spirit. <img src='http://www.sherrythomas.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>How about:</p>
<p>Anne Bishop&#8217;s The Black Jewels trilogy&#8211;because it&#8217;s dark and sexy and it&#8217;s got super cool worldbuilding. </p>
<p>Juliet Marillier&#8217;s Daughter of the Forest&#8211;Celtic fantasy with strong characterizations, lovely immersive writing and strong romantic elements. </p>
<p>Jacqueline Carey&#8217;s Kushiel&#8217;s Dart&#8211;It&#8217;s about a spy who also happens to be a BDSM submissive courtesan, need I say more? ;-O</p>
<p>Laura Resnick&#8217;s In legend born + sequels&#8211;great characterizations, believable conflict, lots of intrigue, struggle and yes, even war, but none of it is against any &#8220;Dark Evil&#8221;. <img src='http://www.sherrythomas.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>How&#8217;s that for a start? If you have any recommendations to share yourself, let me know!</p>
<p>Selene</p>
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		<title>By: Bianca Reagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bianca Reagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 02:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points. That is something to think about. Not only in romance novels, because I&#039;ve never read one, but also in other books and stories. Boring lead characters, male or female, make me frown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, I&#039;m on Blogger too, as are my friends. So you&#039;re not the only one here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points. That is something to think about. Not only in romance novels, because I&#8217;ve never read one, but also in other books and stories. Boring lead characters, male or female, make me frown.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m on Blogger too, as are my friends. So you&#8217;re not the only one here.</p>
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